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1 Hidden Hollow Road Access Consideration through Observatory Mesa Natural Area
         
 
  This request involves 7 privately owned parcels ranging in size from 6.36 acres to one 40-acre parcel, totaling 114 acres. The parcels related to the amendment request are oriented in the north/eastern quadrant of Section 6 on Observatory Mesa. The Right-of-Way (ROW) easement passed from the Arizona State Land Department to the City of Flagstaff upon acquisition. The ROW easement is currently a primitive dirt road 10-15 ft wide that provides legal access to the private parcels. For the property owners to move ahead with development, they must have access to their property that meets city fire access code standards. They are requesting an amendment to the easement that would allow them to improve the road to meet these standards. The road improvements would require codified width and grading that deviates from some parts of the existing road and the ROW easement.
The proposed road surface is an aggregate base, course, unpaved surface. The expense of approximately $200,000 would be covered by the property owners.
If the ROW easement is amended as proposed, current fire access standards would permit up to 30 dwelling units for development.
The Commission’s discussion involved thoughts on access to the private property and how it may affect the Observatory Mesa Natural Area, especially as it relates to the intent of the voters and guiding documents for managing the Natural Area. Numerous questions and requests for additional information were presented. In summary, these included, but weren’t limited to, whether the parcels could be subdivided or combined and what the property owners’ development plans were, other access options that were considered, whether Hidden Hollow Rd was adequate to host more traffic, and how impacts on wildlife and recreation could be mitigated during the development process.
The following members of the public made comments in favor of adjusting the easement, saying that other access options were not considered viable due to terrain or other neighborhoods refusing access, the road surface would be ABS rather than paving, that the requesting private property owners only wanted what current residents have (a quiet place to build their family’s home), the road would be private (maintained by the private property owners) but still allow hiking and biking access, and that the adjustment of the easement would be better for the preservation of the Natural Area than using the current legal access rights since it would require less infrastructure, unused acreage would be returned to the city, and they would restore disturbed areas:
  • Cody Routson
  • Mike Popejoy
  • Rick Lopez (for the Northern AZ Association of Realtors)
  • Alexis Stack
  • Clare Stielstra
The following members of the public made comments against the proposed adjustment of the easement, concerned about the intentions of the investment companies that own the bigger parcels, increased traffic and trash on Hidden Hollow Rd and Rt 180, light pollution, the impact on the natural area and wildlife corridors, what happens if utility easements are requested in the future, is secondary access required, further study as to what can be done as other alternatives.
  • Mike Furr
  • Dave Cooney
  • Charlie Silver
  • Dave Cheney
  • Martos Hoffman
  • Jack Moody
  • Dr. Diane Hope
  • Paul Delaney
Next steps may include an additional review by the Open Space Commission that could lead to a prepared recommendation for City Council consideration, Arizona Game and Fish Department review and input, City Council review and decision, Arizona State Parks and Trails review and decision, and State Historic Preservation Office review and decision.. The commission would like to explore the logistics further and will invite involved City Planning and engineers to speak at a future meeting.
 
 
AYE: Bruce Applin
  Bruce Fox
  Jacqueline Thomas
  Lina Wallen
  Mary Norton
  Nat White
  Wm Michael Wilson

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